Why “Burning Your Boats” is Terrible Advice with Tim Grahl

Episode 283

Why “Burning Your Boats” is Terrible Advice with Tim Grahl

According to legend, Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés issued a rather interesting order to his men as they began their conquest of the Aztec empire in 1519.

The order was simple: Burn the boats.

He wanted his men to realize that they had no opportunity to retreat, so they had to give this fight everything they had. Failure was no longer an option and winning this battle just became that much more important.

There is much debate about the legitimacy of this story, both in reference to the true intentions of Cortés and whether the actual burning took place at all. 

However, regardless of the accuracy in this particular case, this phrase “Burn your boats” has become popular advice in the context of business and success.  

In today’s episode, my friend and best-selling author, Tim Grahl, and I discuss why burning your boats may be the wrong strategy and one you want to avoid, and then we share what we believe will be a much better approach for your to take your success to the next level and beyond.

Tim Grahl

If I change a little bit every day, I’ll automatically get to where I want to go.


  • Why forcing yourself to fly by the seat of your pants is not the best way to dive into entrepreneurship. 
  • The different ways you can ease out of your full-time job while continuing to bring in money, as you turn your side hustle into your primary source of income and use it to create financial freedom. 
  • Why Tim sees goals as somewhat counterproductive – and why he prefers to focus on systems to ensure you automatically hit every goal you set out to achieve.


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Hal: All right, goal achievers. I do have to start out by saying that there’s some weird thing with my technology and I sound in my own head like I’m on helium, so my voice is like high-pitched and robotic. I’m hoping to you it doesn’t sound that way. So, my guest today has confirmed that it sounds fine for him, so hopefully, for you it sounds alright. Listen, if you’re listening to this podcast, I think what I’m about to say applies to you and that is this: When you dream you envision a magical future, the day when you have heroically slain your dragons and unlocked the creativity and genius buried deep inside of you, but how do you actually get to that destination? You can analyze the myths of visionary creators, artists, writers, musicians, software developers, etcetera, who have accomplished the impossible. You’ll read about how they went for it, they refused to quit, and would not be denied. But exactly how these successful creators went from being fearful dreamers as we all are to accomplished artists proves elusive. Well, no longer will it be elusive after our conversation today that you’re about to listen to with my good friend, Tim Grahl. 


And before I bring Tim on, I want to tell you a little bit about Tim and how I connected with him. He actually came to me through a mutual friend, a colleague, Honoree Corder, and many of you, if not all of you or most of you are familiar with Honoree. Honoree is my business partner and co-creator of The Miracle Morning book series, so Honoree and I have produced 12, 13, 14 books in the series. Now, Miracle Morning for Entrepreneurs, for Writers, for Millionaires, for Parents and Families, Couples, you name it, and I was preparing to write and eventually launch my new book The Miracle Equation, and I was talking to Honoree and she said, “Do you know Tim Grahl?” and I said, “I’ve heard his name like his reputation precedes him, but no I don’t know him. I’ve never talked to him.” She said, “Well, he lives here in Nashville. I’ve gotten to know him really well and he is a lot of things. He is brilliant. He is arguably one of the best at what he does and what he does is help authors take their vision of having a book to get it out there to the world and then amplify its reach to reach thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of people.” 


And she said, “Everyone that has worked with him, which are some of the best authors out there, New York Times number one bestsellers and so on,” she said, “They swear by him. They love him.” She said, “I had coffee with him. I’ve gotten to know him, and most importantly, his heart is one of the – he’s just a beautiful human being so I give him my highest recommendation.” And I was deciding between working with Tim and another gentleman who also helps authors launch their books and this other gentleman is very popular and well-known and comes highly recommended. And after talking with both, my heart, my intuition said to work with Tim and I’m so grateful that I did. I was just telling Tim this before we started recording for you and it was that I loved every second of the process of working with him. He truly is about quality over quantity. Everything that we did was how this isn’t about just your promo, promo, promo and getting everybody you know to promote your book on social media. 


He said, “I want this to be quality where we connect with the people that you have deep relationships with but also have an audience that have a reach,” and we do something special for each of their audience that’s unique that you can’t do for everybody you know, because it’s going to take time and energy and thoughtfulness and intention and care with not for not only for me but from every one of these individuals. And so, if you’re around during The Miracle Equation book launch, folks like Pat Flynn and Jordan Harbinger and Christopher Lochhead and the list goes on and on and on, Honoree Corder, it was Tim’s help and his thoughtfulness and care in crafting the emails and the messages and the way that we would connect with the reader and connect with the individuals that I was asking to, “Please help me introduce us to your audience and your readers.” Anyway, so it was amazing and The Miracle Equation I can tell you numbers-wise, metric-wise, I believe we sold 17,000 copies in the first two weeks and I’ve got to give you a little bit of contrast. 


The Miracle Morning sold, you ready for this, 1,800 copies in the first two weeks. So, with Tim’s help and now keep in mind, Miracle Morning has sold 1.7 million copies now, but it started out with 1,800 copies in the first two weeks. Well, with Tim’s help, the Miracle Equation with Tim’s guidance, leadership, you name it, sold 17,000 copies, nearly 10 times as many copies as the Miracle Morning and it reached that many people and I’ll tell you, Tim, this is important for you to hear. I was interviewed earlier by a gentleman named Ray Edwards that host a podcast and he was recently diagnosed with Alzheimer’s and he said that it’s been a rough road for him and it’s been very scary and I can only imagine as you could only imagine what that’s like to receive that diagnosis and he said he recommend or he stumbled upon, he actually listened to my interview with Jordan Harbinger, one of the messengers that Tim connected me with and he said he listened to that interview with Jordan and he said that The Miracle Equation was a true miracle that it literally changed his life and this diagnosis that for him was one of the worst things that happen and now it’s become a gift for him.


Anyway, that’s enough. Tim, I am so humbled. I am so grateful for you and the impact you’ve made in my life and the lives of people like Ray and countless others that you and I will probably never hear from and never meet but The Miracle Equation and thanks to your work and your brilliance is impacting countless lives and will probably impact millions more in the future. So, welcome, my friend. 




Tim: Oh, that was quite the introduction.


Hal: Yeah. The intro says tell the story of how I connected with Tim. That was what I wrote down. 


Tim: I appreciate that. I really appreciate that.


Hal: Yeah, brother. Well, it was from the heart, and I appreciate you. So, here’s the deal. I was searching for your bio online and every bio of yours which it just makes sense. It focuses on what you do professionally which is you help authors but I thought, “Man, I know there’s so much more to Tim,” and I got your book in my hand, Running Down a Dream: Your Road Map To Winning Creative Battles, and I’ve started reading it. I have not finished reading it. I’m in the middle of it now. So, I would love for you to share with me and with the audience a little about your background and start wherever you want, but it’s interesting kind of like what kind of kid were you? And then what was the defining moment where you set a goal, maybe you hit it, maybe you missed it, but those first kind of that first defining moment where you went, “Wow. I can actually achieve things that I set my mind to,” and that sort of thing. So, start where you’d like and take us where you want to go. 


Tim: Yeah. I mean for me, I grew up just – I never really remember thinking much about my future and what I wanted to do. I remember one time when I was in high school, I was driving and my dad just was like, “What do you think you’ll be when you graduate and go on?” and I was like, “I don’t know. I think I just want to get like a really good job, have a family, and that would be it.” And so, I went to college and I got a degree in computer science. I learned how to be a programmer, got my first job doing that, and I just hated the job. I thought, “Okay. Well, I just need a new job,” and so I got another job maybe like a year later and it was one of those where like when I showed up for work, they were literally cleaning out a closet for me to work out of and I had to like turn my chair and scoot out because there wasn’t enough room between my desk in the wall for me to actually get out from underneath my desk and they had told me I’d be in the programming department and they put me over in this like printing department and it doesn’t matter. It was just one of those like really bad jobs. 


Hal: What age is that and when? 


Tim: That would’ve been like 22, 23. I had been out of college a year. I got married in the middle of my senior year of college and I was just sitting there and I was thinking like I really just was thinking like, “Oh no. Is this what it is? Is this it?” because I’m already hating this and I’m not very far into it. And so, I started looking around and that’s when I found like Seth Godin’s blog, so this is 16 years ago, 17 years ago, something like that. I found Hugh McLeod’s blog, Gapingvoid, and started reading and that was my first glimpse of like, “Oh, I could like to do meaningful work. I could do something I really cared about,” and that was when I just made the decision of like I think I’m going to have to do this by myself, like I don’t think it’s going to be. I don’t think we’re going to find it inside of companies. And so, there’s actually a moment. I had started kind of a side business and started growing it after that and I had this moment where my wife’s uncle had got me an interview at the local like big company. It’s a power plant and a nuclear power plant where I used to live in Lynchburg, Virginia and he got me an interview there, I think it was my uncle. 


So, my uncle had been there for, I don’t know, he’s been there like 30 or 40 years or something. He’s been there forever and it’s one of those companies and those are rare companies now like you could legitimately get a job and work there for the next 30, 40 years and they pay really well and have great benefits and all of those things. And I did my first interview and they wanted me to come in to kind of do a final walk-through before they hired me, but I knew that if I took that route, I wouldn’t be able to do my own business. It was just going to take too much time, too much effort, and I was like, I told my wife, I said, “I don’t think I want to do it. I think I want to go after this other thing,” and she’s like do what you got to do. And so, that was kind of the big defining moment for me of realizing both that like I’m going to have to step out and do something on my own and then I’m also going to have to give up this really great opportunity to do it. And so, that was kind of the start of everything. It wasn’t long after that where I actually quit my job and started working for myself, which is the opener of Running Down A Dream, with the book. 


Hal: Wow. So, what was the first side business you started by the way? 


Tim: For like extra money, I was doing just like freelance web development, but I started a series of blogs in the mountain bike world and this was… 


Hal: Is that a passion of yours? 


Tim: Yeah. Like, really it started when I had one of my jobs and I liked mountain biking and I didn’t have any money to buy stuff so I thought maybe if I start a blog I could… 


Hal: I love it. 


Tim: Three steps so I could review it and that’s kind of how it started, but I grew it into like I think I had five sites in like all these people writing for me and that was kind of what I thought I would grow but that ended up fizzling out, not working very well and so I really focused in on the freelance web development and design. And then that’s what eventually became working full-time with authors. I started working with authors. I really like the work and just really love working with authors, working like I had gotten to do some pretty big gigs for like big companies but then I like end up sitting in these boardrooms with like 10 people making decisions on the shade of the color of red for that button. And when I compared that to like working with you where it’s like it’s fun, it’s exciting, and everybody who’s writing a book cares about what they’re doing. It was just always so fun and fascinating working with these people that are doing such creative work. I’ve always loved books and been a big reader and so I ended up getting to work with authors I’ve been a fan of for years. 


And so, that’s kind of the – I think it’s so funny when anybody I meet that like set out to do something and that worked, I’m like, “I set out to do one thing and that failed and so I tried something else and that failed and I tried something else and that failed.” It was like just lots and lots of failures and finding my way to something.


Hal: Well, that’s interesting. So, The Miracle Equation, that’s one of the things that I talk about. It’s really a Jim Rohn philosophy that the purpose of a goal is not to hit the goal. The purpose of the goal is to develop the qualities and characteristics of someone who can achieve goals, right? 


Tim: Yeah. 


Hal: You’re speaking exactly to that and more often than not, you end up not doing the thing that you thought you were going to do because as you learn and grow and evolve your vision for what’s available and what’s possible grows and evolves. That’s very much what happened for you. Who’s the first author you worked for and how did that come to be? 


Tim: So, I was reading this blog called I Will Teach You To Be Rich by Remi Sethi and he posted something about how he just gotten a book deal and he was looking for somebody to help with some of the like nuts and bolts on his blog and getting things ready to launch the book. And so, I just shot him an email completely cold. We didn’t know each other. I never worked in the author world. I didn’t know him at all. It was like, “Hey, I’ll do that,” and he’s like, “All right. Let’s do it.” And so, I worked for almost a year leading up to the launch of the book and I just didn’t think much about it because it’s like he was going on a book tour. He wasn’t going on TV to promote his book. His book wasn’t getting like huge in caps at Barnes & Noble or anything. So, I’m like it’s not going to do much but it’s fun working with this guy. I like his blog or whatever. And when the book came out, it debuted on the New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestseller list, and it was completely through his own following on his blog and his email list and that was fascinating to me because I was like, “How did this like he was in his early 20s with no publicist, no book tour, no traditional media or very little?” I don’t think he had any. He sold all these books and it’s just his blog and his email list. And I was like, “Now that’s interesting. I wonder if you can replicate that and I wonder who else is doing this? I wonder like how does this work?” 


And so, that is what kind of whet my appetite of like, “Okay. I’m going to go out and figure out how this works,” and I started working with more and more authors and it wasn’t too long after that that I just changed my whole company to only work with authors and just focus in on that because again, the work was fun, it was fascinating, and it’s been in this really fun time of change in the publishing industry with Indie Publishing coming online for really for the first time that it’s viable with publishers, trying to find their place in the world still and all kinds of stuff. So, it’s been really fun to get to work with so many amazing creative people and again, authors are so passionate about what they do and so you never end up working with somebody who’s just like hates themselves, which is pretty much all I could find in the corporate world. And so, it was really good and so that’s how I got into working with authors. It was just working with one and kind of get hooked on the process.


Hal: Wow. So, is it Ramit? Am I saying it right? 


Tim: Yeah. Ramit. Yeah. 


Hal: So, he had just written I Will Teach You To Be Rich. That was the name of his blog, right?


Tim: Yeah. It’s the name of his blog and he had just gotten the book deal so it was like a year later that it came out or he had just turned into the publisher or something but it was funny because the 10-year anniversary of the book came out this last year and when I saw that, I was like, “Oh my gosh.” 


Hal: You can’t believe it’s ten years? 


Tim: Yeah. It feels weird being old enough to say I’ve been doing something for 10 years.


Hal: Well, dude, I know that. All my close friends, so I just turned 40 and all my close friends, not all, many of them I met when I was selling Cutco at 19, 20, and so I’m like, “You guys realize we’ve known each other for half our lives. It’s so weird.” Twenty years, isn’t it crazy? All right. So, really fascinating. So, what I love about this, I just want to kind of like it for the listeners, you look at the story, I mean, I think that for me the Achieve Your Goals Podcast, I’m speaking to you, the listener, is there’s two things I like to do with everybody I bring on to this show. I’ve liked for people like Tim to share two things, story and strategy, which is I think for me and for all of us, our culture, human beings, we gravitate towards stories and often that’s the greatest way to learn lessons is through a story and there’s layers of why that is true. One layer is that you go, “Well, hey, if they did it, I can do it.” You hear someone you go, “Wait, they’re like me. They just started out as like a baby in diapers.” 


They didn’t have any special gifts necessarily then they grew up and then they tried stuff and then they failed and then like Tim, he went to college and got a degree and completely realized you missed the mark in terms of what was fulfilling for you and then you didn’t just give up and throw in the towel. You go, “Well, I guess I’m screwed. I’m going to work in a shitty job that I hate for the rest of my life.” By the way, there’s such a valuable lesson there, Tim, so thank you for sharing that and thank you for living that which is no. Tim decided that, yes, he went to college to become a programmer, but he got a job to be programmer and he hated it. And he decided after reading Seth Godin’s blog that he realized he could actually do meaningful work, and by the way, if you’re listening and you’re still stuck in that job that you don’t find fulfilling, when was the best day to leave that job? It was yesterday or the day before, but the next best day is to start planning that exit strategy now. And by the way, don’t burn your boats. Don’t do the old, that famous advice which I don’t even know if that’s true. 


Tim: Yeah. I hated that advice. 


Hal: You do? Okay. Talk about that because I have my thoughts on that but I love to hear your thoughts on, okay, so if somebody’s listening and they were you were when they realized, “I don’t love my job,” or maybe it’s just that my job doesn’t pay me what I need to support the family? It could be lots of reasons they want to exit the job, become an entrepreneur or start something else, start a path, whatever it is and maybe they hear that advice, “Just burn the boats. Quit your job so you’re forced to figure it out.” I think it’s the worse advice. I’ll explain why I think that, but I’d love to hear your thoughts first. 


Tim: Yeah. I mean, to me, it depends on what’s at stake, right? So, I basically did that. My wife, my son was two months old, we had decided she would stay home with him and I was basically just sick of my job and decided to quit and I built up some kind of revenue as a freelancer and my bike stuff was bringing in a little bit of money but not much, but I was just kind of like I was basically like, “Ah, this sucks.” A lot of like young, brash, think I’m too good for this, and six months later, I ran out of money. I had to call my parents and ask them to send me money so I wouldn’t miss a mortgage payment and that’s actually where Running Down A Dream, my book, starts off because what I want to share was so many times, I’m going to come back, but so many times when we hear the story of somebody setting out to do something, we hear the clean version of the story or the slightly kind of like, “Well, it was really hard but look at all this stuff I learned,” and the more I got to know all of these creative people and see behind the scenes on what was really going on, I got to see like, “No, it’s usually hard for a really long time.” 


And so, I wanted to just tell my true story of how hard it is to actually running down a dream. So, we’re on this time that I had this friend who had a day job and he was building up a side business and I kept saying like, “Why don’t you quit your job like it’s making good money?” He’s like, “I’m just going to wait. I can handle them both. I don’t like it. I hate my job but like I’m just going to keep waiting.” He had two or three kids at the time, and I kept saying, “Come on, man, like just do it like you got this business. You can pull it off.” He’s like, “I’m just going to wait. I’m going to keep growing it,” and he waited until his business was making more than his day job and then he went into his day job and he ended up negotiating for half of his salary to come in one day a week. So, now he was making what, probably about 100 or like over twice or like over 150% of what he was making before and only having to work one day a week and he did that for two more years and then he finally quit and he got all this extra money set aside because before he quit his job, he was saving all the money from his side business. 


Then once he went to one day a week, he saved all the money that he was getting from that from his job that half salary and he never ran out of money. And so, like he didn’t burn his ships and that was really, really smart and we contrast that with my kind of brash just quitting my job because I was sick of it and thought I was too good for it. I took a much harder road. We can all look back and be like, “Well, that’s our story. That’s why I am who I am today, but also there’s like legitimately like don’t make it harder than it has to be.” And so, I really respect him, especially looking back because at the time, I kind of looked down on him. I didn’t think he had the guts to do it and now I have a lot of respect for him of being patient. He’s working really hard, putting in a couple years extra so that it would be easy when it happened instead of having to struggle and like really put his family at risk. 


If I’m single and I’ve got like a cheap apartment I share with four guys and like replacing that income wouldn’t be a big deal, sure, burn the ships. The downside is not very high but if you got responsibilities, if you’re like taking care of your mom because she’s sick like if there’s responsibilities than like those I think trump. If I’ve committed to certain responsibilities like being a dad, those trump whatever I necessarily want. And so, yes, so I really am very careful with that advice because it’s mostly just bad advice. That dude, if he did that, if he burned the ships, that guy is an asshole. 


Hal: Yeah. I like that. And also, I’ll echo that and I’ll kind of add a caveat to it which is that I mean I agree for all of the reasons that you said but I think even if you’re single like here’s the thought is that, yeah, you’re making it to your point more difficult than it needs to be and I have a friend and he was single at the time. He didn’t have kids yet and he was sick of his job and he was making like I think $100,000 a year or something like that and he said, “Great job,” and he was like he saw me writing a book and starting a business and this and he’s like, “Man, I want that and I want to be a speaker,” and so he burned the ships and he left and it almost always takes longer than you think it’s going to take, right?


Tim: Yeah. 


Hal: And so, he ran out of money and he was struggling for a long time and operating from a place of fear, scarcity, and stress is rarely the best place to – rarely the best mindset to be in. And so, the way that I did it, I did kind of a hybrid. I started a fire at the back of the ships, I guess a little burn, which I think is the way to do it. So, what I did when I left my sales position and I earned $100,000 that last year was I knew I didn’t want to do that anymore. I wanted to be an author. I wanted to be a speaker, I wanted to be a coach, and I always say there’s a fine line between optimism and delusion like most of us cross it pretty often. But so, what I did is, A, I saved enough money to pay my expenses for probably three months and I shouldn’t save for like at least six, ideally 12. Honestly, like I would say if you’re thinking like I have 12 months of expenses where if you don’t make a dime, you can pay your bills and focus on building your new business for 12 months. That would be ideal to me. 


But the second thing I did which was kind of the hybrid is I only had a few months of it. I save $20,000 basically and I think my expense were like, $6,000 a month at that time for my mortgaging car and everything else. But what I did is I’ve brought on my first I think it was like 10 coaching clients and they were only $200 a month because they like my deals, “Hey, you’re my first coaching clients. You guys are going to get like a killer discount.” So, they’re paying me very little money relative but it’s still about $100 but the point is I had, A, money saved and, B, an income. And I kind of made it by the skin of my teeth where when the money ran out, I had brought enough new clients that I kind of smoothly transition from one to the other, but anyway, so, that’s yeah. If you’re listening to this and you want to leave, don’t let emotion be what drives your decision meaning, “I hate my job. I’m fed up, I’m done,” and don’t let the other side of emotion which is the optimism/delusion which is like, “I’ll make it work. I’ll figure it out.” Like both of the emotion is a double-edged sword. We’re positive. We’re all bipolar a little bit, right? 


Tim: Well, the other thing I would say here too is that and this is another lesson I learned from that same guy is if you can build a business that is say two-thirds of your income only working say 10 hours a week like think about – because so many people are like, “Oh, I make so much money once I can put so much more time into it,” and I’m like you’re thinking of it backwards. You need to figure out how to make as much money as possible on as little time as possible. We shouldn’t be looking like to replace our – what drives me crazy is when people like quit their 40-hour week job to start an 80-hour week job. Well, and like do you have a plan on reducing that? Or where it’s like this guy did a really good because he grew it as his side business, once he went down to one day a week, he was working two days a week and making that much money. And then if he wanted to put some more time into it, that’s fine, but he wasn’t relying on like, “Okay. Once I can spend all this time on them, I’m going to make all this money.” Instead, he’s like, “How do I make as much money on as little time as possible?” 


And so, that’s the other thing it teaches you to do like I talked to new parents when they’re like taking care of babies and taking care of kids, I’m like just learned how to be super – use this as a practice to be super efficient so once your kids are like in school or they get older like you’re going to be amazed at what you can get done because you used it as practice to be efficient. I think of that too. If you have a day job like use it as practice to be efficient and look at it as like not that your day job is holding you back. It’s a nice constraint to force you to be efficient and learn how to make money efficiently instead of just by dumping time into it. 


Hal: I like that. I love that. So, the first lesson here, everybody, and this could be the only lesson, but it’s don’t burn the boats. Another way of saying that is build another boat first, right? Build another boat and then burn the boat that you live on now. How did you just put it? Learn to be efficient? How did you say that? 


Tim: Yeah. Like learn it, use it as a way to learn to be efficient in making money because you don’t, I mean, it depends on what kind of business you’re building but I think if you can figure out how to replace your income on 10 hours a week like that’s awesome. You could like live on a beach somewhere where like so many people quit their jobs and then I’m sure you know those people that like 40, I mean, I’m thinking of one particular guy that it’s like 40 years after running, starting his business so he could have freedom, he’s still putting in 60-plus-hour weeks and my thing is like learn to be efficient in making money.


Hal: Yeah. Learn to be efficient in making money. It is so true and that’s being an author by the way as a side note that your book’s actually making money while you sleep which is kind of cool. In fact, where was I the other day? We were doing something and my wife I think was like, “Oh, this costs money,” or whatever. We were on our overnight date night and I go, “Sweetie, you want to know the best news?” She goes, “What?” I go, “We just made money,” and she goes, “What do you mean?” I said, “We’re authors. We make money like people they’re purchasing the books and it’s not only changing their lives. It’s helping support our life.” So, I think that efficiency is such an important piece. There always is this with the idea of like create passive income or multiple streams of income. I think, well, this negative connotation like, “Oh, that’s right. Get rich quick.” It’s like, “No, that‘s setting your family up for financial security.” What did you say?


Tim: Another word would be that’s smart. 


Hal: Yeah. That’s smart. There you go. So, let’s wrap up with any other or not wrap up, but almost like pre-wrap up, what would be like a number one strategy or lesson that you’ve learned that has helped you to achieve the goals that you now have achieved and really more I say the biggest goal is the life that you’re able to live where you’re able to work location independence. I mean, you’re really living the dream, Tim. You’re doing work you love, work that helps not only the people that you serve, but the readers that they serve and you’re able to put your family first and really focus on what matters. So, is there any golden nugget that you can share that you feel like has been really instrumental and being able to create that life that so many of us dream of?


Tim: Yeah. So, it’s interesting because we’re talking about what the podcast is and how it focuses on goals and I have this very kind of love-hate relationship with goals because, on one hand, I feel like goals can be counterproductive. So, it’s this idea of like if I need to lose 10 pounds and it’s like, “Well, sure. So, you lose 10 pounds. Does that mean you’re done?” And so, many people when they reach whatever that goal is they kind of don’t know what to do with themselves. And so, I really like to focus on systems and I think of it is like learning to do a little bit every day that will get me to everywhere that I want to go. So, I don’t really want to lose 10 pounds. I want to be healthy and I’m sure this has been talked about before but it’s this idea of if I change a little bit every day, I’ll automatically get to where I want to go. If I write a thousand words a day, I’ll write every book I’ve ever dreamed of writing. I’ll write every article I’ll ever dream of writing. All I have to do is do today what I need to do today. 


And I kind of think of it is like open water swimming on which I’m not a very good swimmer, but like the way that I’ve done open water swimming is you kind of like point your body in the right direction and then you just put your head in the water and just start swimming, swimming, swimming, swimming, and then like every once while you like come up out of the water and be like, “Oh, I’m kind of going the wrong direction and kind of reset and then start put my face back in the water and head in that direction.” And so, I really tried to just think I always do this at the beginning of the year I think, “Okay. Where do I want to be five years from now, one year from now?” And then it’s like, “Okay. What do I need to do every day that will automatically get me there?” I’m not really focused on, “I got to hit this goal. I got to hit this goal. I got to hit this goal.” It’s, “How do I be the type of person that will automatically hit every goal I could come up with?” 


And I like that because it really informs in a very small way what I need to do today. So, like if I want to write a book and it seems really overwhelming, like I got to string 100,000 words together like how am I going to do that? But it’s like if I just get in the habit of writing 500 words a day like I’m going to write what is that like almost 200,000 words a year just writing 500 words a day and 500 words is just all I got to do today and if I get that done today, that’s fine and then I just got to do it tomorrow and in six months, you look back and you’re like, “Holy s**t, I just wrote a lot of words.” And so, I really just try to focus on, like who do I need to be today that will automatically get me to everywhere I want to be? Because we all think we can get, and maybe this is as I’ve gotten a little older like I’m just not in a hurry, it’s like I’d much rather just slowly methodically move things the direction I want to go instead of feeling like if this doesn’t happen the next six months, everything’s going to fall apart. And the more that I calm down and just focus on that, the more I lift my head up and I’m so much further than where I thought I was going to be.


Hal: Tim, you are wise and I don’t know if I’m just saying that because we think exactly the same, but in fact, that was so well put and it was such a great final thought that I’m tempted to be like, yeah, da, da, da, da, da, but yeah I know that was beautiful and I think that I will just say I’ll keep it as short as possible, but just to recap what you said, focus on systems that produce the goals in The Miracle Equation. I call that your process. Every goal is preceded by a process and if you commit to the process over an extended period of time, you eventually have the goal. The only variable is time. You keep in the process, you eventually get there, and I love what you said, right, how do you do that? I like the way you said, “Ask yourself how to be the person today who can achieve any goal that I set? What is the process? What’s the systems? What are the things I need to be doing each and every day to keep moving in the direction of the goals, the dreams, and the life that we want, that I want?” 


Yeah. Well said, my friend. Well, you are a wise man and you’re a good man. I’m grateful for having you in my life and thank you for sharing your wisdom and your story today in the podcasts. 


Tim: Yeah. Thanks, Hal. I appreciate you having me. 




Hal: It’s been a pleasure, man. Well, goal achievers, remember, this podcast is going to be soon be renamed going into 2020. This will become I don’t want to guarantee this because I changed my mind. This could change, but as of now, this will be called The Miracle Life Podcast. That is the plan. That is kind of the future that I’m living into and envisioning in the four pillars as of now for this miracle life are love yourself as you are, see yourself as you can be, create the most extraordinary life that you can imagine, that’s too long so I’m going to shorten that and figure it out and help others do the same and like that’s a really, those are the four pillars of this Miracle Life concept and it’s really just you can call it the life of your dreams, the life we want, whatever you want to call it but that’s the direction that we’re heading. 


And we’re going to be interviewing people that can help you do those four things, love yourself as you are, see yourself as you can be, create everything that you want for your life and pay it forward. And as you create your miracle life, help others do the same. So, that’s the direction we’re headed. Goal achievers, I love you, I appreciate you probably more than you know, and I look forward to talking to you very, very soon as in next week. Take care, everybody. 




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